Old 11-28-2006   #16 (permalink)
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Yes, but with the people I couldn't have them close together because of the spacing. As you can see, the letters are close together in the first design, so its an "L" but in the second one its much harder to keep them closer together while making the design work, hence the "l"
It's more important to make the "L" come across IMO because the name or initials is the more important part of the design. It can work with either slightly wider letters, a little more of a tilt or a reworking of the people.


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I made the text to be bold and stand out so I'm a little lost as to why it isn't
My point wasn't knocking the text itself or say it wasn't bold. But it was suggesting that you didn't need to make it so crazy to have it stand out. If you take out the people from your design the text seems a bit disjunctive.


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So if it doesnt look good in Black and White...scratch it?
No, don't scratch it. Just start with the black and white version, master that and then add the color. Most small business and organizations use their logo as much in colorless newspaper print or quick black and white flyers. If you design something that works black & white, it's easier to jazz it up with color after the fact than to go backwords. I think you'll find most every designer that specializes in logos (which I am not one) uses this approach.
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It's more important to make the "L" come across IMO because the name or initials is the more important part of the design. It can work with either slightly wider letters, a little more of a tilt or a reworking of the people.
True, but if I keep the people part I probaly cannot create a reasonable compromise.
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My point wasn't knocking the text itself or say it wasn't bold. But it was suggesting that you didn't need to make it so crazy to have it stand out. If you take out the people from your design the text seems a bit disjunctive.
Makes more sense now, I just thought that you meant the text wasn't bold enough. However I didn't see it as crazy, do you mean its random size scalings?

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Also true, actually all the letters and the people and the fish started out black, then I went with a color overlay, though it is sometimes hard to get a complex coloring effect on a black+white object
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If you tilted the Y and the C letters and modified the arms you could certainly eliminate some of the gap. It's more apparent in between the y and the l and will be slightly amplified when/if you go to the capital L.

It's a great concept and it can work (much stronger concept than the fish).

As for the type. I think it just screams Fred Flinstone to me. Kind of rugged and a bit chissled for a "christian leadership" logo.

Again, this is all opinion, feel free to stop me or ignore me. I see a lot of potential in the design.
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If you tilted the Y and the C letters and modified the arms you could certainly eliminate some of the gap. It's more apparent in between the y and the l and will be slightly amplified when/if you go to the capital L.

It's a great concept and it can work (much stronger concept than the fish).

As for the type. I think it just screams Fred Flinstone to me. Kind of rugged and a bit chissled for a "christian leadership" logo.

Again, this is all opinion, feel free to stop me or ignore me. I see a lot of potential in the design.
we'll see what I can do. About the chiseled text, I did that because it was strong, smooth stuff just seems...artificial, so I went for the strong, chisled stuff.
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What is the age group you are aiming at there? If its anything above 10 I would change things up big time.
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it's alot higher than 10, but I would have to disagree that fun, light-hearted text cannot be used for an older crowd. We're looking at 16-18 Christian Kids
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