word pad to photoshop

[Hummingbird]

hi

i'v been contact by a customer that whats me to do a 64 page brochure
i'm used to doing mini brochures 10 page's,i think there is going to be loads of writing involed,is it possible to paste wording from notepad doc to photoshop by copying and then paste it into my p~s template,i tried a test run but it did'nt come out right any help would be useful,i can handle 10 pages of text "just"
but 64 pages would do my head in,any help would be thankful

andy

[Tamlin]

Andy:

It is certainly possible to copy text from something like a TXT file or a Word DOC and paste it into Photoshop (you have to add a Type object first, then paste your text into it), but I would seriously consider if Photoshop is the right tool for this job - a 64-page document would be a big job in PS and would be better suited to some sort of Desktop Publishing app, I would have thought.

[Hummingbird]

thanks tamlin

it worked,i can't afford other software app please no more,you shoud'nt tell me things like that your make me go and buy a desktop app,i've got cs2 indesign,
would that do the job i've never really had the time to learn about it,i guess i'm going to have to learn new stuff,i just so used to p~s and illustrator and the way i work.

[notjustgraphics]

You should definately be using a vector program for a printed catalog... If you have InDesign, it's great for creating page layouts, but you'd need a printer's flat template for the type of brochure you are creating...

For example the cover leaf would be folded around the inner pages, meaning that Panel 1 would be the Back Cover, Panel 2 would be the front cover and the reverse side, Panel 3 would be Inside front Cover and Panel 4 would be Inside Rear Cover....

the next leaf would sit inside of that, meaning Panel 1 is page 1 of the brochure, Panel 2 would then be page 64, Panel 3 would be Page 2 and Panel 4 would be page 63.

I hope this makes sense...

I can't even comprehend using photoshop other than to manipulate raster images for the page contents.

Mike.

[Hummingbird]

thanks mike

i understand 1 panel system 2 panel system,i'm going to have to branch out into different sectors of design,brochure work has never took my fancy seems to bore me,but if that means me getting more work then i'll have to do that,work is picking up for me now and i'm getting more work,i've found ways of highlighting my work in different ways and it's starting to pay off now,just brought my self a online portfolio and profile on a very nice site,posted loads of links over the last year on different sites,and now going to get my website up and running,it's not been easy beening freelance and i've learned from mistakes but also found out that you have to work hard,ain't been easy,but it's paying off,i'm going to have a look at indesign now and see what i can do
i don't know if it's got that kind of template that you said but i'll have a look

thanks mike once again

[Tamlin]

Originally Posted by notjustgraphics

For example the cover leaf would be folded around the inner pages, meaning that Panel 1 would be the Back Cover, Panel 2 would be the front cover and the reverse side, Panel 3 would be Inside front Cover and Panel 4 would be Inside Rear Cover....

the next leaf would sit inside of that, meaning Panel 1 is page 1 of the brochure, Panel 2 would then be page 64, Panel 3 would be Page 2 and Panel 4 would be page 63.

This setup is what's known in the trade as "printers' pairs". I've used this method in Word to create CD Booklet inserts, and it did my head in just planning 8-page layouts - I can't even imagine trying to do this for a 64-page booklet without the proper software!

[Hummingbird]

i know tamlin just doing a 10 page design is confusing,i ended up with loads of paperfolding and turning "i'am sure this is page is 2 while this page is 8,is that the front or is that the back" if i take this job on you won't likly see me for another year.i'm gonna have to source the templates and hope indesign can do the job or more money will have to be spent

[Hummingbird]

i've done a search on the internet but really not sure which templates would this do the job this one is for cs illustrator it's called right angle brochure
About.com: http://www.thepapermillstore.com/pages.php?pageid=164

[wolly]

good luck with that Andy we will see you back here when youre old and pulled all youre hair out and remember not to throw the computer out the window.

[notjustgraphics]

Actually, tamlin reminded me of another consideration...

Depending on the weight of the stock, the binding method can be a big consideration for brochures that size. Stitching or stapling is usually the cheapest, but can be the least attractive...

Regardless, at certain thicknesses, you may run into multiple nests of leaves... so you would have for example 2 or 3 nests of "printer's pairs" stacked under a common cover and bound together.

We tend to rely on our printing partners for pre-press setup and focus on the design aspects only, but they really appreciate when we use their templates and consult with them on larger or more complex projects... their price reflects this too.

a 64 page brochure, well, really it's a catalog, is an enormous undertaking. Of course every subject is different, but we generally would create layouts based on the material... It is seldom that we know the exact number of pages ahead of time so we have some flexibility there, but generally we group the subject matter and assess the best ways to display them...

For instance, if we were doing a clothing catalog, we'd group by Pants, Tops, Shoes, etc... and then determine which items best display in groups vs. single products per page.

Some things come natural... obviously the cover, the inside cover and page 1 are generally used for information about what is INSIDE the catalog. Pages 2 through XX contain the actual catalog pages.

The most important or impressive component of the catalog would generally be placed in the center fold. Even (in some cases) if it's out of place with the rest of the catalog.. but generally we plan the book to work with the centerfold.

For Larger books we establish a series of layouts that work well with the product groups and create templates for ourselves. Then the design process begins, working the products systematically into the page layouts at all times considering the overall impact of the piece...

This process has worked well for us.

In the end, our printer fine tunes the layouts to work with their press, but because they are based on templates created by them, their workload is minimized and costs are kept lower.

I hope this information proves helpful to someone, somewhere, sometime.

Regards, Mike.

[Hummingbird]

thank you mike for writing a book on the subject

the brochure they have requsted is going to be a community magzine that will have a copy run of 18,000, gloss art paper not sure what gsm i would mostly think 130 gsm,and would be a a5 size magazine,it's a well to do community mag
as the advert prices are really high and is mostly geared to the countryside community

here is what they said

not that any of you are interested in this so i'll bore you with the details

This is a FREE distribution and as such relies on advertisers to enable its publication. If you would like to advertise with us please view the details under Advertising to the left of your screen.
This is a top quality A5 monthly magazine on gloss paper; 100% colour with quality advertisements and articles to be enjoyed by all ages.
Distributed FREE to over 18,000 homes in the South Leicester community of Lutterworth, Bitteswell, Claybrooke Parva, Ullesthorpe, Ashby Parva, Claybrooke Magna, Frolesworth, Leire, Dunton Basset and Broughton Astley; along with various public areas and waiting rooms:

* Doctors
* Offices
* Hospitals
* Schools
* Dentists
* Hotels

Regular features will include:

* Woofers World (advice and tips; from choosing a puppy to basic care and training)
* Dog Blog (smile time - a dog's eye view of his owners)
* Recipe
* In the Garden
* Under 5's
* Money Matters
* Teen Time
* Secret shopper (feedback on various businesses)
* Short story
* Who, What, Where and When

this will bore me for many hours and days to come while putting this brochure together

i have found templates like mike and tamlin have told me in adobe bridge part of indesign i'm trying to get my head around it as it goe's on about number of pages i think it put's all the pages into one file when saved,this is the biggest job i have taken on, as wolly said you might not see me around for a year"

sorry to bore you all

i hope i get back to biorust oneday "only joking"

[notjustgraphics]

Wow..

My first negative reputation... and it comes from someone I was really trying to help...

I'll assume you meant to +rep me instead of -rep me Andy_gan

lol..

Mike.

[Hummingbird]

sorry mike i was meant to +rep you, i can't rep until i've rep some one else

sorry