i suppose introductions are in order ...

[Tamlin]

Originally Posted by turvas

Seriously, don't open your mouth if you have no idea what you are talking about. There is a pretty damn big difference between anarchism and satanism.

HA HA HA!!! That's what I love about you, turvas - you're so easy to wind up*.

But anyway...who said anything about satanism? For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the Sex Pistols didn't really understand the finer points of Anarchism, either. The point I was making was that your ethos is nothing new or special. I'm old enough to have seen and heard it all before.



*PS: Note for non-UK residents - "wind up" = make fun of someone with the express purpose of annoying them (as in "winding-up" a clock).

[turvas]

Originally Posted by tamlin

HA HA HA!!! That's what I love about you, turvas - you're so easy to wind up*.

But anyway...who said anything about satanism? For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the Sex Pistols didn't really understand the finer points of Anarchism, either. The point I was making was that your ethos is nothing new or special. I'm old enough to have seen and heard it all before.



*PS: Note for non-UK residents - "wind up" = make fun of someone with the express purpose of annoying them (as in "winding-up" a clock).

Everything has been done before, in general. It's just the details that make the difference.
Easy to wind up? I haven't even started.

[Tamlin]

So anyway...you still haven't answered unleash's question:

Originally Posted by unleash

So what's your stratagy when it comes to economics? Communism? Back to trading instead of buying?

[unleash]

A dammit, I can see my own mistake in typing now. stratagy should be strategy

So turvas? Still the same question for you!

[turvas]

Economics? I'd say I support free market. But that in the meaning of free market, not the bull excrement we get all over the world today. Communism is not really what I have in mind, but there are a few good ideas in there, really, if you read between the lines. In general I think that if we scrapped all polititians aged 30 or so and above and replace them with youth, we'd be in a better place. Like that's going to happen, though... The problem is, the old polititians are kind of stagnatic, wether they admit it or not.

[Culann]

Then are you Libertarian? Or something still else??
I like what you're saying thus far...

[synthetic]

Originally Posted by turvas

Economics? I'd say I support free market. But that in the meaning of free market, not the bull excrement we get all over the world today. Communism is not really what I have in mind, but there are a few good ideas in there, really, if you read between the lines. In general I think that if we scrapped all polititians aged 30 or so and above and replace them with youth, we'd be in a better place. Like that's going to happen, though... The problem is, the old polititians are kind of stagnatic, wether they admit it or not.

agree for most part... I think there are a few older ones that are genuinely trying to do some good but... yep... the good old buddy system is still big

IMHO... the US is pointed towards socialism with the new medical plans being tossed around and the idea that government needs a committee to handle every aspect of our lives when in reality its just another way of creating more government jobs for the "buddies" who usually accomplish nothing other than holding their post. If people would quit looking to government to fix everything and take on the responsibility themselves... then maybe the people as a nation would get more accomplished. Look at how well our disaster relief works.

used to think I was liberal.... find myself getting more conservative as I get older it seems

Oh man... did I just jump into an already open can of worms? LOL

[unleash]

Originally Posted by turvas

Economics? I'd say I support free market. But that in the meaning of free market, not the bull excrement we get all over the world today. Communism is not really what I have in mind, but there are a few good ideas in there, really, if you read between the lines. In general I think that if we scrapped all polititians aged 30 or so and above and replace them with youth, we'd be in a better place. Like that's going to happen, though... The problem is, the old polititians are kind of stagnatic, wether they admit it or not.

Yeah, true....thats indeed how thing should be! I also believe that people should be judged on what they can, instead of who they know....but that's probably just an dream that never comes true.

Originally Posted by synthetic

...If people would quit looking to government to fix everything and take on the responsibility themselves... then maybe the people as a nation would get more accomplished. Look at how well our disaster relief works.
...

But isn't that today's problem? That nobody wants to have the responsibility, except on the pay check? And that is exactly what's breaking up most countries? Persons who want to make a fast buck, and than leave the place a mess?

And about the worms....yep

[supertackyman]

no-one wants to have responsibility anymore because they dont want to be liable.
if a building caught fire, only a few average citizens would do much besides maybe call for help. the small portion that would run and try to help in some sort of way, are the people that should be changing the world. (alas, nice guys finish last.) Most of the "not my problem" types, (coincidently also the ones that make the hugest stink when something bad happens to them) seem to be the ones with the lack of conscience and minimal empathy that is needed to suceed in the cutthroat world of politics.
sociopaths tend to have no feelings for others either.
Its no wonder really, why so many end up in charge.

[synthetic]

Originally Posted by supertackyman

sociopaths tend to have no feelings for others either.
Its no wonder really, why so many end up in charge.

BINGO...

I see that here where I work... the people with a good head on their shoulders who are compassionate and understanding turn down leadership positions (or leave them once they accept them) because of increased stress, tension, not much more money and expectations too high from higher ups that don't allow those people enough freedom to accomplish their goals. I turned down a couple offers myself. The people that take the positions only care about climbing to the top and "prooving" something no matter who they step on to get there.

Probably same goes for any public office many times.

yep... Bart Simpson probably said it best "I didn't do it" lol

[Tamlin]

There's an old saying, "Every country has the government it deserves". Part of the reason that greedy, unprincipled people climb to positions of power is because we - the common people - allow them to. There is another saying: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Much as I hate to agree with turvas (), I think he may have a point. Maybe what we need is a bit of good, old-fashioned revolution.

[unleash]

Originally Posted by tamlin

Maybe what we need is a bit of good, old-fashioned revolution.

Yeah! onto the barricades!! turvas, if you bring some good old torches, I will bring some more friends...and tamlin if you bring us the speeches and "weaponry", then we only need to team up and get there arses!!

Oh, and you do know that when they read this in america they invade the UK, right? Another good example of something that goes really wrong in this world! Privacy or Security? why should it be a question!!

[supertackyman]

I wonder how many "Buzzwords" are allowed before we get redflagged by "big Brother"?

count me in, I got a pitchfork!!!
hand me a torch Turvas.

[Culann]

I'll go! (grabs shillaly from behind door) America, UK, doesn't matter. Both governments are too big.

[CherryCarrie]

(as my youngest would say growing up.. means Back Up The Train?) lol...
Was heading to the ol introduction couch, when this Intro by Teyger caught my eye first. Then Turvas's reply!
WOW... interesting hello if I do say so myself!
Mentioning a church is not really a religious conversation hon? A church is nothing but a building and all they did was mention they frequented that building? RELIGION is what is going on inside that church. They never stated any of their beliefs, nor forced anything down another's throat?
You are the one who got yourself started (sorry for chuckling, but it is true lol).
Teyger made no mention of Christianity at ALL.
No one went out of their way to "provoke" you. YOU were the one who brought up religion. And I hate to tell you, but when you do so, those who ARE Christians are going to take every opportunity to witness (Hence the Jesus wants you for a sunbeam comment). I highly doubt anyone would have said a thing about Jesus of Nazareth (YES, the same Jesus Christ you spoke of that indeed was crucified all those years ago), had YOU yourself not used the word RELIGION?
Anyhow, the fact that you are "not exactly" a Christian would have been irrelevant in this thread, had you not mentioned this and religion. All the poor poster did was mention that of their church members, they are most knowledgeable about certain things, and that was it?
A simple howdy and welcome would have sufficed.
I am a Christian (not that I expect you to care, nor will I be upset that you don't). I am NOT however, a RELIGIOUS person neither as far as organized religion goes. This was not a post made to argue about 's or 's, but rather just someone saying HEY? OH well, I guess I will go introduce myself also.
Just wanted to tell ya to take a deep breath before you get all worked up over something, and double check to be sure something READS as you THINK it does hon. Because as I said, RELIGION was not mentioned in this post until you mentioned it?
Peace and Love