Going crazy.. text in a table...

[Runecaster]

Ok, sliced the image, put a table layout in there. CANT FOR THE LIFE OF ME get TEXT in there.

I don't want to have to type the text in an image editor when I need to update. WTH? Why the hell can't I type text in a layout cell or table, WTF am I doing wrong>!?!

I'm starting to go crazy!!! I have tried everything.

[Runecaster]

*cough* nevermind.

I love figuring stuff out on my own

[Runecaster]

Ok how do you move text around in an area? It's tough to layout text. I suppose in smaller layout tables? Sometimes I cannot draw layout tables within others and I dont know why Dreamweaver wont let me. Grrr

[Young Spartan]

First of all, this is a warning for posting on top of yourself.

Second of all, you need to learn HTML by hand and not a WYSIWYG editor.

Third, you need to look into webstandards because tables are HORRIBLE.

Fourth, the last thing you want to do is to make smaller layout tables, the more the worse. Tables should be used for displaying tubular data only, as originally created for, not layout.

Fifth, please post the code of your website and specify the area of the code you are having trouble with.

[Runecaster]

A warning? Okayyyy.


I never understood that whole 'ooooooooh you made two posts in a row' thing. Who cares? Explain to me a rational reason beyond 'manipulating post count' (which matters zero)

I don't need to do anything I don't want to do, so hence, I don't NEED to learn HTML.

Apparently since I manage to publish web pages without ever using it longhand at all proves it.

If I needed to learn it, they wouldn't make programs like Dreamweaver.

HTML snobs are like art snobs. I dun like any of em.

[Young Spartan]

No one asked you to like me, for one. I'm pretty sure anyone at this site would back me up in saying that you do need to know HTML to manipulate web pages the way you would like and web standards, to at least some extent help to make successful web pages.

Now, as for the rules, I need not justify them, if you would like to be part of this forum, you need to follow them. I didn't write them I enforce them. I find them to be very justified and fair, compared to some websites, but your opinion is your - to each is their own.

No spamming: Short and meaningful, or long and rambling posts are always welcome here at the Biorust forums, but a dim view is taken of those individuals who reply to posts with a mere smilee or a couple of words. Trying to increase your posts number using these methods is highly frowned upon, and may result in a temporary/permanent ban.

I consider double posting to be a string of spam and post count increasing. We have an edit button.

Another thing, "We also expect all members to be courteous to each other, and refrain from abusing or deriding other members." another piece of the rules. Please attempt to be even a little more curteous towards the staff. Not that you've crossed the line, but you are standing near it.

I mean, once in a great while it happens, but you did three in a row and I merely warned you. If our administrator would like to contradict me, then so be it, but I doubt it. I have no problem with being corrected, though.

Now, we do have another rule..

[BlodoPKNZ]

Yuneek if tables shouldnt be used to contain layouts then what should be? From what i know tables are the best thing to encase layouts with and are supported by any and all browsers. I tried using div tags when i was a noob at html, but they had the annoying habit to destroy the whole layout at higher resolutions if it was centered. CSS - doesnt it involve tables anyways? What then? Is there another way for that?

[Young Spartan]

<p>

<div>

Those alone can make amazing sites. Let me show you some examples...

http://www.indesain.net/index.php/
http://www.seriocomic.com/rhetoric/
http://www.dirkhesse.com/
http://www.equifax.com/

See what I mean?

Those will work in old browsers, PDA's and all that good stuff. I mean, tables can be used, I just prefer div's. Tables have nothing to do with manipulating webpages the way you would like by knowing HTML and coding without indepth tables in tables to slow your browser loads, increase bandwidth usage and leave the mdisplaying wrong in some new browsers, some old browsers and handheld.

[BlodoPKNZ]

Yes but divs use absolute values to position themselves right? So how could you for example center a layout to a page using divs? And it would work on all resolutions?

Oh and one more thing: could you post an example code of a site coded in div and p? I just wanted to see how it looks in the code.

[Young Spartan]

<div align="center">

Simple as pie.

Div's DO NOT have to use absolute positioning, they can use relative, which most people use. I'll give you an example of one of my own sites... not the best coding but decent.

PHP Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
 
 <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
 
 <head>
 
 <title>| ShockedStyle |</title>
 
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
 
 <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://www.shockedstyle.com/style.css" />
 
 </head>
 
 <body>
 
 <div class="zer">
 
 <div class="one">
 
 <br /><div class="two" align="center"><span id="two"><img src="http://shockedstyle.com/images/logo.gif" /><p><a href="http://www.shockedstyle.com">MAIN</a> | <a href="http://www.shockedstyle.com/blog">BLOG</a> | <a href="http://www.shockedstyle.com/contact">CONTACT</a></p></span>
 <div class="content">
 In the past few years of my life, life itself has evolved for me and blown much wisdom my way that I had earlier not obtained.
 I am yet to consider myself a wise man, but I would call myself more educated in the story of life than most my age.  This is my website, my vent, my work
  and my, well, my place.  You are welcome, to my whatever-you-want-to-call-it.  So dive in.
  
 <p class="closing">Alex Stanford</p></div>
 
 </div>
 
 </div>
 
 </div>
 
 </body>
 
 </html> 


And the CSS

PHP Code:

 body { margin: 20px 0px 20px 0px; background-color: #007FBA; background-image: url(http://www.shockedstyle.com/images/bg.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; text-align: center; }
img  { border: 0px; }

.zer { width: 450px; margin: 0px auto 0px auto; }
.one { width: 450px; height: 900px; background-color: #F0F0F0; background-image: url(http://www.shockedstyle.com/images/zer.gif); border-color: #FFFFFF; border-style: solid; border-width: 7px; text-align: left; }

.two { width: 450px; height: 026px; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 9px; letter-spacing: 1px; word-spacing: 10px; color: #007FBA; font-weight: 700}
#two { vertical-align: middle; }

a:link, a:visited { text-decoration: none; color: #007FBA; }
a:hover, a:active { text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 2px; color: #007FBA;}

.content { text-align: left; padding-left: 30px; padding-right: 30px; color: #999999; padding-top: 30px; word-spacing: 3px; font-size: 10px; }

.closing { font-style: italic; } 


Ok, why does my browser go funny when i look at stuff like that?

Anyhoo, if tables are giving you grief, try using css for the table bg, and setting the cells padding, alignment (both hoz and vert) so that the text fits in! You could also use letter spacing to make sure the everything is right!

[Young Spartan]

Originally Posted by ahmedtheking

Ok, why does my browser go funny when i look at stuff like that?

Anyhoo, if tables are giving you grief, try using css for the table bg, and setting the cells padding, alignment (both hoz and vert) so that the text fits in! You could also use letter spacing to make sure the everything is right!

Well, what browser?

[BlodoPKNZ]

Hmm i have to look in to this div stuff. Maybe i can learn something useful. Though still tables seem much easier in use...

[Runecaster]

I'm still waiting to hear a rational reason for increasing post count. Like post count mattered in any world, anywhere. Because it means squat.

So. I can spam in the form of a long multi edited post, but I can't just hit the quick reply box because I might raise the almighty posting count.

Mmmkay.

And if you think that I am skirting any line in regards to courtesy, you ought to go browse Milkdrop's posts and think long and hard.

And I'm sure he'd appreciate the double entendre

I think someone needs a little epeen stroking and wanted to sound high and mighty. Fill your quota dear? No go play outside. This adult doesn't care.

[Man1c M0g]

This topic is going far from its original focus and turning into a flame war. I'm closing it.