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Hummingbird · 03-05-2007

thanks tamlin your a wealth of information

Hummingbird · 03-06-2007

i looked up one of the webhoster's that was given to me
it said 4 gb webspace,is website gb's larger than computer file format eg.
tiff file 1 gb. i'm still confused about this.

*notjustgraphics* · 03-06-2007

1 Gigabyte = 1024 Megabytes, though many webhosts will say that 1000 MB = 1 GB...

A 1 GB TIff File? I can't even imagine that... why would it be so large? How do you edit it? Can your print providers' presses handle that file size?

Wow! Must be an absolutely enormous high-res print job!

Mike.

**Tamlin** · 03-06-2007

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Originally Posted by notjustgraphics

A 1 GB TIff File? I can't even imagine that...

Apparently, the maximum size for TIFFs is 4GB, so a 1GB file would be quite possible (although, like you, I can't imagine why you'd need one that size).

Hummingbird · 03-07-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjustgraphics

1 Gigabyte = 1024 Megabytes, though many webhosts will say that 1000 MB = 1 GB...

A 1 GB TIff File? I can't even imagine that... why would it be so large? How do you edit it? Can your print providers' presses handle that file size?

Wow! Must be an absolutely enormous high-res print job!

Mike.

sorry it was just a example about gb sizes as most of my work is saved in tiff
some of my flyers end up 1gb then i compress the layers and end up a lot less,i work with 300 resoultion it's a lot quicker to work in,in the uk the standard for printing is 3oo what is it in the usa.

andy

Hummingbird · 03-18-2007

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Originally Posted by tamlin

Andy:
This will give you some advice on web page size:

Screen Resolution and Page Layout (Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox)

i'll still not sure what webpage size i should use it's say's

* Optimize for 1024x768, which is currently the most widely used screen size. Of course, the general guideline is to optimize for your target audience's most common resolution, so the size will change in the future. It might even be a different size now, if, say, you're designing an intranet for a company that gives all employees big monitors.
* Do not design solely for a specific monitor size because screen sizes vary among users. Window size variability is even greater, since users don't always maximize their browsers (especially if they have large screens).
* Use a liquid layout that stretches to the current user's window size (that is, avoid frozen layouts that are always the same size).

what is a liquid layout do i need to worry about this
can someone shed some light on what size my website page's should be
and what works best for you lot
it's a bit to confusing for me i just want to know a size for my website page's

andy

**Tamlin** · 03-19-2007

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Originally Posted by andy gan

what is a liquid layout do i need to worry about this

A "liquid layout" means that you don't use set sizes for your layout, so that it looks the same regardless of screen resolution. I'm sure one of our web design experts like notjustgraphics will be able to explain how to achieve this.

Hummingbird · 03-19-2007

and there i was thinking you know everything tamlin

"sorry to say now that you are not the matrix when i thought you was"

**Tamlin** · 03-19-2007

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Originally Posted by andy gan

and there i was thinking you know everything tamlin

Nah - I just know little bits about lots of things. If you move fast enough, it makes it look like you know everything...

*notjustgraphics* · 03-19-2007

Hey Andy!

Fluid layouts are designed generally in percentages rather than set pixel widths so that when a user resizes their window OR when users with different screen resolutions view your page, the intended proportions remain intact... It can also be achieved by using the "em" unit instead of "px" but this can cause some browser problems (IE<6.0)

Keep in mind though that, with anthing more than an ultra-simple layout, there will be a breaking point where the site gives... with care this can be kept to width's below 300px.

Another benefit to fluid layouts is accessbility... if properly coded, users can resize the text components to a comfortable size for them without causing the site to "break". This can also be attained with a lot of horizontally fixed layouts that are flexible to grow and shrink vertically.

Fluid layouts require extensive use of CSS and compounds the issues of cross-browser support, but it can be attained, even to the point the images resize with the screen width.

I am by no means an expert at fluid layouts... our studio has only been asked to a couple of them. An example of one can be seen at Adria Little - A. Little Gets You A Lot - About The Best Home Team
but in this case, we did not spend the time to make the images scaleable.

If this is a style you wish to pursue, let me know and I can point you to some helpful tutorials, but a firm grasp of CSS will be very helpful.

As for screen widths, the most common screen resolution is still 800x600... hands down. However, you can consider your market as well... if you're going after designers and artists, it's more likely the average screen size amidst that group would be higher.

Generally, if you're designing to 800x600 for example, you need to allow for the borders of the browser window and a scroll-bar, so you would design to 786px in width. Height can varry depending on the number of toolbars a person uses but it is common practice to set your height to about 558px which allows for the standard toolbars.

There are a number of css layouts available here Layout Gala: a collection of 40 CSS layouts based on the same markup and ready for download! (thanks AgentXI) that you can use as a basis for your site... there are even a few Liquid (Fluid) layouts.

I'll try to help more if needed...

Best of luck!

Mike.

Hummingbird · 03-19-2007

thanks notjustforgraphics

i think i will stay away from the fluid layout's i think they are a bit to confusing,i'll go with your advise and use a 800x600 and maybe a little bit bigger,it would be mainly for the public to see as they would be my main customer's buying my stuff,i find html hard only because i'm lazy that's why i went for coffe cup i don't know if that was right or wrong i'll see,it only took them 2 week's to give a password so i could download the software.

thanks again mike

i now know that notjustforgraphics is the matrix not tamlin

*notjustgraphics* · 03-19-2007

if you plan to go larger than 800x600 I highly recommend pushing to 1024x768 (998x750 with browser overhead)...

By going even slightly larger than 800x600 you are going to make the browsing experience difficult for users using 800x600 and you will still appear rather small to those using 1024x768.

You can achieve a level of scalability that fits the users screen size without going to a full liquid layout... the link I provided in my previous email (Layout Gala) should give you a great place to start... however, CSS is still going to be necessary.

Alternatively, you can throw caution into the wind and ignore the majority of web designers advice and use tables for layout.

<table width="100%"></table>

will create a table that fits to the users screen regardless of what size it is.

Don't be afraid of HTML... or CSS... they are your friends!

I've never met an HTML generator I liked... so best of luck with CoffeeCup

Mike.

Hummingbird · 03-20-2007

i have tried 800x600 but there is a big white space on the right of the webpage
is this because my screen is widescreen

pshopper · 03-20-2007

Andy, have a look at Drupal. It's a bit geeky and will take a bit of getting used to, but i've heard that it is extremely powerful once you get it working. They do all kinds of modules like e-commerce ones and stuff. It's well worth a look.

Hummingbird · 03-22-2007

thanks drupal i'll have a look i ain't to good with html but i see what they can offer me