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mike
you allways come up with the goods thanks for these links
i'll give the £2,500 adobe package a miss i ain't got that money to invest in that yet
but i think i'll try the others,things are coming on along very good now and i'm alllways learning new things i ain't business mined really,i just like designing but i have to learn stuff to get business,fonts are good tools in designing as we all know.
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