http://www.pacificexpos.com/menu.html and
http://www.pacificexpos.com/menu2.html
http://www.pacificexpos.com/navigationmenu.html
lol i did it so damn much that i dont know which one is my original code but i am thinking its the last link.. its only css. yeah the last link is my original code. i was going to try that out, your code but i cant. lol. my dreamweaver on here expired. since im on vacation i gotta wait till i get back to my computer in washington. thanks.. ill go look for a um.. something like notepad for mac. my first time using a mac for work. crazy. i dont even know how to uninstall ps, dw and the cute ftp. anyone know how? thanks again..